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Train derailment's & crude oil; a dangerous mix.
#1
Posted 06 July 2013 - 03:13 PM
destroying several homes.
The photo's of this train derailment say it all.
Several people are still missing.
Source
This link has footage of the fire.
http://www.usatoday....quebec/2494651/
Ain't fossil fuels grand?
#2
Posted 07 July 2013 - 02:13 AM
Shortpoet-GTD, on 06 July 2013 - 03:13 PM, said:
destroying several homes.
The photo's of this train derailment say it all.
Several people are still missing.
Source
This link has footage of the fire.
http://www.usatoday....quebec/2494651/
Ain't fossil fuels grand?
Was the derailment related in any way to what the train was carrying?
Consequences are, of course, another matter.
#5
Posted 07 July 2013 - 01:58 PM
The engineer's shift was over, the train was parked uphill, so he left. They're blaming the brakes; but they
could have been released on purpose.
And even if it wasn't on purpose, who would be stupid enough to park a train on a hill fully loaded with
crude oil? The weight pressure on the brakes must have been off the charts.
(I wonder if they'll investigate it?)
72 of the 73 tanker cars were filled with oil.
Article
#6
Posted 07 July 2013 - 09:48 PM
Shortpoet-GTD, on 07 July 2013 - 01:58 PM, said:
The engineer's shift was over, the train was parked uphill, so he left. They're blaming the brakes; but they could have been released on purpose.
Shortpoet-GTD, on 07 July 2013 - 01:58 PM, said:
Shortpoet-GTD, on 07 July 2013 - 01:58 PM, said:
Generally, rail tracks are built with relatively low gradients and there is little rolling resistance. That's how locomotives manage to haul such huge loads. The kinetic friction* of the brakes ought to be able to stop the train and, in this case, obviously did. Static friction ought to have kept it stopped.
*I mentioned static and kinetic friction. As a rule, static friction is greater than kinetic friction. If you want to push a heavy case across the floor it takes more force to get it moving than to keep it moving. The relevance to the train is that if the kinetic friction of the brakes could, and did, stop it the static friction ought to have been able to keep it stopped.
Clearly, in this case, it didn't. One might expound theories of thermal contraction. But you'd think that railway engineers in such a mature industry would have those bases covered.
No doubt the investigation will come up with some conclusions.
If I were to speculate, I'd put it down to human error. With tragic consequences.
#7
Posted 08 July 2013 - 04:21 AM
Besoeker, on 07 July 2013 - 09:48 PM, said:
Would it have mattered what it was loaded with?
And two, no it doesn't necessarily matter what it was loaded with but hazardous materials are often transported
by train, and when accidents happen, people unfortunately die;
but the bigger picture is the environmental damage it causes.
Tainted water and soil can harm more people in the long run; not to mention flora and fauna.
But pipelines can rupture too so it's a dilemma on how to transport the stuff.
That's why we need to reduce our use of fossil fuels worldwide. Everyday, it seems, there's a leak or
a spill somewhere.
#8
Posted 08 July 2013 - 08:01 AM
Shortpoet-GTD, on 08 July 2013 - 04:21 AM, said:
“but they could have been released on purpose.” sounds like speculation.
Once you engage in speculation about possible causes, you can't exclude any possible cause, however remote. The mention of the meteorite was to illustrate just that.
Shortpoet-GTD, on 08 July 2013 - 04:21 AM, said:
This suggests otherwise
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Shortpoet-GTD, on 08 July 2013 - 04:21 AM, said:
by train, and when accidents happen, people unfortunately die;
but the bigger picture is the environmental damage it causes.
Which is why I mentioned consequences. Some people might consider death a fairly serious consequence.
#9
Posted 08 July 2013 - 10:20 AM
There is only one way to stop the transfer of oil, buy a BEV or FCV. As long as we pull up to the pump, people will drill it and ship it. Even after that, some 39% of oil is used in industry for plastics, makeup, clothing, etc. The only way to totally shut oil down would be to come up with viable biofuel alternates for industrial uses.
#10
Posted 08 July 2013 - 12:09 PM
#11
Posted 08 July 2013 - 12:38 PM
Phil, on 08 July 2013 - 10:20 AM, said:
No doubt cost is a major factor. If the track and rolling stock already exists it might make economic sense to deploy that rather than excavating and laying pipes.
Phil, on 08 July 2013 - 10:20 AM, said:
It also sums up a couple of EV limitations that still exist. Range and recharge time.
Phil, on 08 July 2013 - 10:20 AM, said:
#13
Posted 19 July 2013 - 08:14 PM
#14
Posted 20 July 2013 - 07:22 AM
still learning, on 19 July 2013 - 08:14 PM, said:
#15
Posted 20 July 2013 - 09:33 AM
Besoeker, on 20 July 2013 - 07:22 AM, said:
#16
Posted 31 December 2013 - 04:55 AM
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#17
Posted 31 December 2013 - 08:50 AM
Shortpoet-GTD, on 31 December 2013 - 04:55 AM, said:
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#19
Posted 01 January 2014 - 02:54 PM
Shortpoet-GTD, on 31 December 2013 - 03:52 PM, said:
"I'm gmo corn and I will screw up every cow, chicken and pig that eats me=screw up people, and there's
no stopping me."
The grain train went down the track
The full containers at its back
It should have stayed within the gage
We know it didn’t at this stage
Did it swing or did it sway
To hit the oiler on the t’other way?
The carnage cannot be denied
There may be blame on either side
The freight mightn’t be your taste.
But should we judge in much haste?
Mechanical failure might be to blame
For other freight you’d have the same
Consequences pretty dire
Conflagration – a serious fire.
Forensics have some way to go
Exact cause we may not know
#20
Posted 01 January 2014 - 04:22 PM
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