This time period is in process of changing its name to "Anthropocene Epoch".
Alarming new study makes today’s climate change more comparable to Earth’s worst mass extinction
Posted on 2 April 2014 by howardlee
"The Permian Mass Extinction 251.9 million years ago, otherwise known as “The Great Dying,” was the closest this planet has come to extinguishing all complex life on Earth.Around 90% of all species died out in this single event, a worse toll even than the Cretaceous extinction that wiped out the dinosaurs.
For years the cause of the Permian Mass Extinction has been linked to massive volcanic eruptions in Siberia. Volcanic CO2 and a cocktail of noxious gasses combined with burning coal and geothermally-baked methane emissions to enact a combination of toxic effects and, most importantly, ocean acidification and global warming. It led to a world where equatorial regions and the tropics were too hot for complex life to survive. That’s a fact so astonishing it bears repeating: global warming led to a large portion of planet Earth being lethally hot on land and in the oceans! The cascading extinctions in ecosystems across the planet unfolded over 61,000 years, and it took 10 million years for the planet to recover! For comparison, our distant ancestors separated from apes only 7 million years ago.
Until recently the scale of the Permian Mass Extinction was seen as just too massive, its duration far too long, and dating too imprecise for a sensible comparison to be made with today’s climate change. No longer."
http://www.skeptical...news.php?n=2424
Bulletin of VolcanologyJanuary 2013, 75:678
Peraluminous igneous rocks as an indicator of thermogenic methane release from the North Atlantic Volcanic Province at the time of the Paleocene–Eocene Thermal Maximum (PETM)
Abstract
"Unusual cordierite-bearing peraluminous dacites, produced by melting of organic-rich sediments by intrusion of basaltic magma, are found within the North Atlantic Volcanic Province (NAVP). Calculations suggest that formation of the dacites, radiometric dated at 55.9 ± 0.3 Ma and possibly widespread, could have released an average of ∼4,500 Gt (range from 3,000 to 6,000 Gt) of carbon as methane, with a δ13C of about −35‰. Published model results suggest that such a methane release could explain the negative δ13C excursion in the oceans and atmosphere, the extreme global warming, and the marked dissolution of carbonates in the deep oceans that accompanied the concurrent Paleocene–Eocene Thermal Maximum (PETM). Outgassing from melting of sediments and formation of dacites, possibly in conjunction with methane produced in contact metamorphic aureoles and by methane hydrate release, provides a novel way of explaining the PETM and its timing."
http://link.springer...0445-012-0678-x
Twelve Simple Propositions: Climate Change and the Asia Pivot
Wednesday, 26 March 2014 13:26 By DH Garrett, Truthout | Op-Ed
"1. Climate change is the greatest challenge that humanity has faced. Climate phase change (abrupt climate change) is an existential threat that will render most the Earth uninhabitable. All signs point to this phase change as either already initiated or soon to be initiated. "
"7. Numerous studies show that the support system provided by natural systems can no longer tolerate the dominant economic system (short-term-profit-driven neoliberal capitalism). At a minimum, if something like TPP or an East Asian Common Market comes into being, complete supply chain carbon costs for all products, processes and services must be taken out of the realm of negative externalities and those costs fully incorporated. State A cannot be allowed to reduce its carbon emissions by shifting dirty production to State B. The atmosphere is a collective global commons. "
Twelve Simple Propositions: Climate Change and the Asia Pivot
" Putting a price on carbon emissions is a key solution to human-caused climate change, and a revenue-neutral carbon tax has the advantage of bipartisan support for several reasons. For one, by returning 100 percent of the revenue to taxpayers, it doesn't increase the size of government, and it also offsets the financial impact of higher energy and fuel prices, and it's also a free market solution. For these reasons there are a growing number of conservatives speaking out in support of a revenue-neutral carbon tax, especially conservative economists."
Video: Climate science crash course by Dana Nuccitelli with Citizens Climate Lobby
for further reference;
http://www.wundergro...e/PETM.asp?MR=1
http://insideclimate...keystone-xl-oil
http://www.theguardi...thane-time-bomb
from wiki;
"
Another kind of exception is in clathrates associated with the Arctic ocean, where clathrates can exist in shallower water stabilized by lower temperatures rather than higher pressures; these may potentially be marginally stable much closer to the surface of the sea-bed, stabilized by a frozen 'lid' of permafrost preventing methane escape. Research carried out in 2008 in the Siberian Arctic has shown millions of tons of methane being released, apparently through perforations in the seabed permafrost,[17] with concentrations in some regions reaching up to 100 times normal.[18][19] The excess methane has been detected in localized hotspots in the outfall of the Lena River and the border between the Laptev Sea and the East Siberian Sea. Some melting may be the result of geological heating, but more thawing is believed to be due to the greatly increased volumes of meltwater being discharged from the Siberian rivers flowing north.[20] Current methane release has previously been estimated at 0.5 Mt per year.[21] Shakhova et al. (2008) estimate that not less than 1,400 Gt of carbon is presently locked up as methane and methane hydrates under the Arctic submarine permafrost, and 5–10% of that area is subject to puncturing by open taliks. They conclude that "release of up to 50 Gt of predicted amount of hydrate storage [is] highly possible for abrupt release at any time". That would increase the methane content of the planet's atmosphere by a factor of twelve,[22][23] equivalent in greenhouse effect to a doubling in the current level of CO2.
In 2008 the United States Department of Energy National Laboratory system[24] and the United States Geological Survey's Climate Change Science Program both identified potential clathrate destabilization in the Arctic as one of four most serious scenarios for abrupt climate change, which have been singled out for priority research. The USCCSP released a report in late December 2008 estimating the gravity of this risk.[25] A 2012 assessment of the literature identifies methane hydrates on the Shelf of East Arctic Seas as a potential trigger.[26]
According to data released by the EPA[27] atmospheric methane (CH4) concentrations (ppb) remained between 400–800ppb (between years 600,000 BC to 1900) and since 1900 have risen to levels between 1600–1800ppb."(and reported in 2009 to be rising "geometrically").
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AETM ELE
Started by
Dustoffer
, Apr 05 2014 12:12 PM
32 replies to this topic
#2
Posted 05 April 2014 - 12:31 PM
This is not something to take lightly or go business as usual anymore.
If the reductions are not enough, it may buy a small amount of time, or it may not. Some think we have passed those tipping points already or will with the "momentum of .8*C" that it will warm even with total stop of HGHGs. The studies above give us some time, which I hope we have.
Perhaps, it is that people in general, and people in charge and corporate people, just do not understand what it means.
I will tell you what it means;
Once these tipping points of positive feedback loops are established, nothing humanity can do will be able to reverse a course of warming that will end up causing the extinction of 85 to 90% of all species in the biosphere, including our own. The warming is accelerating past 40 times more than the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum and accelerating past 20 times as fast.
The mechanisms of the PETM were thousands of years of increased vulcanism causing higher CO2 levels, and seismic events leading to massive methane hydrate releases. The mechanism of this new "AETM" are human overpopulation and burning both fossil fuels(70%) and from agriculture(30%), leading to tundra methane self release, open ocean self warming, and atmospheric warming from the tundra methane adding to the ocean warming to self release of methane hydrates at increasing depths until "turnover". There is 20% more CH4 now than PETM.
The time to resequester all this carbon will take longer than the 180K years PETM took, and the recovery of the diversity and number of life species will take more than the 2 million years it took after the 30% ELE of PETM. Probably 3 million years or more.
It is very serious to cause our own extinction by insufficient action while there is still time. It is the most important thing we, as a species, can do, to lower emissions 90% within 3 years or a decade. It means sacrifice, and a period of harsh times, until our habits and numbers have changed to sustainable.
It means business NOT as usual, lowering standards of living, massive efforts to replace fossil fuels with non emissions power, localizing food production, massive reduction in births and increase in deaths, stopping jet travel, stopping all except sails on the oceans, seas, and waterways, going to manual labor farming, stopping emissions producing manufacturing, electric cars and hybrids only, no more slash and burn farming allowed, and more.
I don't know how all this will be done, but it must if we are to prevent ecocide. Time is of the essence. We already have had 1/20th the footprint for over a decade, and had only one child, practicing the 3 Rs, and growing some of our own food. We need to grow more, and everyone needs to do the same.
Lower your footprints, lower your breeding rate, go to non-emissions power, and only light travel by hybrid or electric vehicles, stop being greedy and selfish, and think about all the other life we need, and this biosphere we need. Those future generations of human and other life are more important than we are.
If the reductions are not enough, it may buy a small amount of time, or it may not. Some think we have passed those tipping points already or will with the "momentum of .8*C" that it will warm even with total stop of HGHGs. The studies above give us some time, which I hope we have.
Perhaps, it is that people in general, and people in charge and corporate people, just do not understand what it means.
I will tell you what it means;
Once these tipping points of positive feedback loops are established, nothing humanity can do will be able to reverse a course of warming that will end up causing the extinction of 85 to 90% of all species in the biosphere, including our own. The warming is accelerating past 40 times more than the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum and accelerating past 20 times as fast.
The mechanisms of the PETM were thousands of years of increased vulcanism causing higher CO2 levels, and seismic events leading to massive methane hydrate releases. The mechanism of this new "AETM" are human overpopulation and burning both fossil fuels(70%) and from agriculture(30%), leading to tundra methane self release, open ocean self warming, and atmospheric warming from the tundra methane adding to the ocean warming to self release of methane hydrates at increasing depths until "turnover". There is 20% more CH4 now than PETM.
The time to resequester all this carbon will take longer than the 180K years PETM took, and the recovery of the diversity and number of life species will take more than the 2 million years it took after the 30% ELE of PETM. Probably 3 million years or more.
It is very serious to cause our own extinction by insufficient action while there is still time. It is the most important thing we, as a species, can do, to lower emissions 90% within 3 years or a decade. It means sacrifice, and a period of harsh times, until our habits and numbers have changed to sustainable.
It means business NOT as usual, lowering standards of living, massive efforts to replace fossil fuels with non emissions power, localizing food production, massive reduction in births and increase in deaths, stopping jet travel, stopping all except sails on the oceans, seas, and waterways, going to manual labor farming, stopping emissions producing manufacturing, electric cars and hybrids only, no more slash and burn farming allowed, and more.
I don't know how all this will be done, but it must if we are to prevent ecocide. Time is of the essence. We already have had 1/20th the footprint for over a decade, and had only one child, practicing the 3 Rs, and growing some of our own food. We need to grow more, and everyone needs to do the same.
Lower your footprints, lower your breeding rate, go to non-emissions power, and only light travel by hybrid or electric vehicles, stop being greedy and selfish, and think about all the other life we need, and this biosphere we need. Those future generations of human and other life are more important than we are.
#3
Posted 05 April 2014 - 01:12 PM
There is the hope that one very large and due volcano can cause huge crop losses with a volcanic partial winter, which could collapse civilization and the human population enough to stop thermageddon, if within the next nine years. Katla, southern Iceland--due NOW.
Two tsunamis due also, are La Palma in the Atlantic, devestating the US East Coast and many other countries, and the worst nightmare---Cascadia. I had to move out of Seattle because of the case of heebee jeebees . Either could collapse the US and then world economy which would also set off a collapse.
To me, it is really something that our only hope of survival as a species is catastrophe.
The hope for Yellowstone to do it, is just at least 2K yrs. away, and its 10*F cooling would not be enough if AETM hits first with +29 to 32*F. Maybe another very large asteroid hit? Unlikely within 13 million years, but possible. What else could stop Anthropocene Thermal Maximum from its 86% ELE? We only have 9 yrs. before the Arctic Tundra methane self release positive feedback is unstoppable. The "Methane Turnover" Natural reaction sequence. Tipping points; open ocean self warming-passed, tundra methane without a 90% HGHG reduction 2023, oceanic methane deposits self release from 2100 to 2500, and finally the waters give up their dissolved CO2 in the heat and so does the land--the fourth tipping point.
What else could prevent it? Maybe the ridiculous idea of a "limited nuclear war". Possibly forcing Yellowstone magma chamber to blow with strategically drilled and placed hydrogen bombs?
NO, I HOPE for Katla to save us in a near super eruption. Even though most will die.
Two tsunamis due also, are La Palma in the Atlantic, devestating the US East Coast and many other countries, and the worst nightmare---Cascadia. I had to move out of Seattle because of the case of heebee jeebees . Either could collapse the US and then world economy which would also set off a collapse.
To me, it is really something that our only hope of survival as a species is catastrophe.
The hope for Yellowstone to do it, is just at least 2K yrs. away, and its 10*F cooling would not be enough if AETM hits first with +29 to 32*F. Maybe another very large asteroid hit? Unlikely within 13 million years, but possible. What else could stop Anthropocene Thermal Maximum from its 86% ELE? We only have 9 yrs. before the Arctic Tundra methane self release positive feedback is unstoppable. The "Methane Turnover" Natural reaction sequence. Tipping points; open ocean self warming-passed, tundra methane without a 90% HGHG reduction 2023, oceanic methane deposits self release from 2100 to 2500, and finally the waters give up their dissolved CO2 in the heat and so does the land--the fourth tipping point.
What else could prevent it? Maybe the ridiculous idea of a "limited nuclear war". Possibly forcing Yellowstone magma chamber to blow with strategically drilled and placed hydrogen bombs?
NO, I HOPE for Katla to save us in a near super eruption. Even though most will die.
#4
Posted 06 April 2014 - 04:36 AM
It took time to post all that -with all the links, thank you.
I don't like to be pessimistic, but until the "elites" of the world know this and change their "greed at all costs"
modus operandi; humans are doomed.
Our mother Earth may??? or will recover, depending on how much damage we do to her. If there is enough
life left somewhere after the destruction, it will regenerate again.
If we kill the ocean's and the phytoplankton die, will some other form of life take over? Who knows.
The evolution that happened on this planet is unique in the universe and will never happen again; in other
ways maybe, but not the way it happened here.
As optimists we like to think that the Earth will come back but will it?
Earth could become Venus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus
I don't like to be pessimistic, but until the "elites" of the world know this and change their "greed at all costs"
modus operandi; humans are doomed.
Our mother Earth may??? or will recover, depending on how much damage we do to her. If there is enough
life left somewhere after the destruction, it will regenerate again.
If we kill the ocean's and the phytoplankton die, will some other form of life take over? Who knows.
The evolution that happened on this planet is unique in the universe and will never happen again; in other
ways maybe, but not the way it happened here.
As optimists we like to think that the Earth will come back but will it?
Earth could become Venus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus
#5
Posted 06 April 2014 - 10:42 AM
Hansen thinks that the Venus Effect would only happen if all of the fossil fuel technically able to be obtained, is burned. That would happen if there was no population "crash". If there are 10% survivors and they go back up in population by burning the last reserves, it is possible.
Personally, I think it will be very much like an accelerated and stronger PETM, with very long recovery, but probably not as bad as the worst extinction event.
This probably is preventable by the called for 90% HGHG reduction by 2023-4. We need a world mobilization max effort to do it.
Here is another view;
"There are a lot of moving parts that make up the national infrastructure – roads, the electrical grid, communication networks, water management, etc. – but the key point is that they are all interrelated. Poke one component and half a dozen others squeal. Take out the electrical grid and water treatment plants start dumping raw sewage. Throw a hurricane at a major port and, on top of all the bodies floating around, you disrupt shipping hundreds of miles up the river, leaving grain shipments to come within days of rotting on the docks."
How Climate Change Will Kill Us in the Dumbest Possible Way
Personally, I think it will be very much like an accelerated and stronger PETM, with very long recovery, but probably not as bad as the worst extinction event.
This probably is preventable by the called for 90% HGHG reduction by 2023-4. We need a world mobilization max effort to do it.
Here is another view;
"There are a lot of moving parts that make up the national infrastructure – roads, the electrical grid, communication networks, water management, etc. – but the key point is that they are all interrelated. Poke one component and half a dozen others squeal. Take out the electrical grid and water treatment plants start dumping raw sewage. Throw a hurricane at a major port and, on top of all the bodies floating around, you disrupt shipping hundreds of miles up the river, leaving grain shipments to come within days of rotting on the docks."
How Climate Change Will Kill Us in the Dumbest Possible Way
#7
Posted 07 April 2014 - 11:29 AM
It started to get more known as the 1990s progressed with dinosaur interest and impacts like the "K-T Event". Then on to near ridiculousness with fantasy, like "The Day After". Other movies since "Soylent Green" have been more fantasy, too. "Mad Max", who I have been compared to, "Water World", plus other pure garbage. Science backed good fiction with high probability has not been done.
It would be more like a horror picture, but real consequences of what humans are doing to their biosphere and each other, should be shown. There are several documentaries like "Blind Spot", but no regular Hollywood blockbuster about scientifically backed CAGW effects. The METHANE MONSTER has not been faced in mainstream film. Neither has the population crash, or for that matter, the Cascadia Disaster, La Palma Mega Tsunami, or the Katla very large volcanic eruption effects. Nor have other things like the in-process magnetic reversal and its possible(but never happened in many other reversals) CMD or focused gamma ray hit during the weakest phase.
As new data comes in, the forecast can change. Rates can change. Humans can band together to fight CAGW, or one of the geo-events precipitates a crash and less emissions the hard way. Or it goes on inevitably toward passing the tipping point of tundra methane positive feedback loop formation, which leads to complete turnover relatively fast.
#8
Posted 07 April 2014 - 05:11 PM
I think that documentaries on these subjects are crucial. They may not get the attention of blockbuster
movies, but the information is getting out there-like Chasing Ice, Gasland and Gasland II;
others mentioned here-
http://ecowatch.com/...mentaries-2013/
Dozens more here-
http://topdocumentar...ry/environment/
(As for waterworld-kevin costner; he should be b*tch slapped at the very least for making it.)
movies, but the information is getting out there-like Chasing Ice, Gasland and Gasland II;
others mentioned here-
http://ecowatch.com/...mentaries-2013/
Dozens more here-
http://topdocumentar...ry/environment/
(As for waterworld-kevin costner; he should be b*tch slapped at the very least for making it.)
#9
Posted 08 April 2014 - 07:14 AM
This documentary may be of blockbuster quality..........preview;
https://www.youtube....h?v=Rn2Cd3Dwwnk
here is a shortened 1 hr. version;
https://www.youtube....h?v=brvhCnYvxQQ
Academy Award winning director and actors.
http://www.skeptical...angerously.html
This one is more to the point;
https://www.youtube....h?v=m6pFDu7lLV4
this is a shorter one;
https://www.youtube....h?v=MVwmi7HCmSI
THIS IS IT!!!
https://www.youtube....h?v=21D3ByfPTx8
The Last Hours of Humanity: Warming the World to Extinction
http://lasthours.org/
https://www.youtube....h?v=Rn2Cd3Dwwnk
here is a shortened 1 hr. version;
https://www.youtube....h?v=brvhCnYvxQQ
Academy Award winning director and actors.
http://www.skeptical...angerously.html
This one is more to the point;
https://www.youtube....h?v=m6pFDu7lLV4
this is a shorter one;
https://www.youtube....h?v=MVwmi7HCmSI
THIS IS IT!!!
https://www.youtube....h?v=21D3ByfPTx8
The Last Hours of Humanity: Warming the World to Extinction
http://lasthours.org/
#10
Posted 08 April 2014 - 10:30 AM
Actually, it is a book made almost a year ago that I just found, and have not read yet. I'm not the only one, by far.
The Last Hours of Humanity
"Humanity, as we know it, is on the verge of extinction. There's a common thread to every single mass extinction in our planet's history. It's global warming. From the Permian Mass Extinction 250 million years ago that killed off 95% of all life on Earth to the K/T mass extinction 65 million years ago that killed off the dinosaurs, all were brought about by a sudden warming of the planet. New research shows that once that warming hits a tipping point of 5-6 degrees Celsius, it triggers a cataclysmic melting of sea ice and the release of noxious methane gasses stored deep in the oceans around the world and below the permafrost in the Arctic, which further accelerates the warming of the planet to temperatures unsuitable to life. This book, The Last Hours of Humanity, goes where far too few researchers have been willing to go, which is addressing global warming not as an economic or political problem, but as a geological problem that threatens the survival of every living thing on the planet, including us humans. By bringing together climate scientists, geologists, and cutting edge research too often left out of the global warming debate, the Last Hours of Humanity exposes the dangerous future of planet Earth, and what we humans have to do right now to save our species."
http://www.amazon.co...d to Extinction
The Last Hours of Humanity
"Humanity, as we know it, is on the verge of extinction. There's a common thread to every single mass extinction in our planet's history. It's global warming. From the Permian Mass Extinction 250 million years ago that killed off 95% of all life on Earth to the K/T mass extinction 65 million years ago that killed off the dinosaurs, all were brought about by a sudden warming of the planet. New research shows that once that warming hits a tipping point of 5-6 degrees Celsius, it triggers a cataclysmic melting of sea ice and the release of noxious methane gasses stored deep in the oceans around the world and below the permafrost in the Arctic, which further accelerates the warming of the planet to temperatures unsuitable to life. This book, The Last Hours of Humanity, goes where far too few researchers have been willing to go, which is addressing global warming not as an economic or political problem, but as a geological problem that threatens the survival of every living thing on the planet, including us humans. By bringing together climate scientists, geologists, and cutting edge research too often left out of the global warming debate, the Last Hours of Humanity exposes the dangerous future of planet Earth, and what we humans have to do right now to save our species."
http://www.amazon.co...d to Extinction
#12
Posted 08 April 2014 - 07:02 PM
Dustoffer, on 08 April 2014 - 10:30 AM, said:
.....The Last Hours of Humanity..........to the K/T mass extinction 65 million years ago that killed off the dinosaurs, all were brought about by a sudden warming of the planet......
#13
Posted 09 April 2014 - 09:28 AM
The K-T ELE. Nothing about the asteroid hit causing global warming. The only thing connecting them is both are ELEs.
The AETM ELE (with insufficient emissions reductions) is similar to a bad PETM type event, but with humans 140 times greater than vulcanism, this time. The vector we are on in this biosphere is an 85-90% ELE. An "Event", geologically, greater than PETM and 40 times as fast after the tundra methane positive feedback loop completes. Much too fast for most species to adapt.
There was the Permian ELE comparison (90%), and greater than the "K-T Event" ELE (75%).
Much worse than the PETM minor ELE (30%).
Things can change, due geologic(or even human caused) events precipitating an earlier population crash (through a cascading complex of smaller events). The crash making the 90%+ HGHG emissions reduction needed by around 2023 to stop the tundra methane self release, with continued heat , then cool down over 400 years. This would be a best case scenario, with the ELE kept minor, and a 'bottleneck' in human and other species' populations, and a return to sustainability.
The AETM ELE (with insufficient emissions reductions) is similar to a bad PETM type event, but with humans 140 times greater than vulcanism, this time. The vector we are on in this biosphere is an 85-90% ELE. An "Event", geologically, greater than PETM and 40 times as fast after the tundra methane positive feedback loop completes. Much too fast for most species to adapt.
There was the Permian ELE comparison (90%), and greater than the "K-T Event" ELE (75%).
Much worse than the PETM minor ELE (30%).
Things can change, due geologic(or even human caused) events precipitating an earlier population crash (through a cascading complex of smaller events). The crash making the 90%+ HGHG emissions reduction needed by around 2023 to stop the tundra methane self release, with continued heat , then cool down over 400 years. This would be a best case scenario, with the ELE kept minor, and a 'bottleneck' in human and other species' populations, and a return to sustainability.
#14
Posted 09 April 2014 - 10:36 AM
Now, we find this month's Arctic temperatures above that which tundra methane self releases.......
http://siberiantimes...h-temperatures/
"
By 2 April, 17 forest fires had been registered across 2,000 hectares. Among the areas now at risk after a faster-than-usual snow melt are the south of Siberia to the territory of the Far Eastern Federal District, to Baikal and the Amur regions.
'It was the hottest April 1 on record for several western Siberian cities, including Novosibirsk, Tomsk, Kemerovo, Barnaul and Gorno-Altaysk,' said Renad Yagudin, of the Novosibirsk meteorological service. 'The average temperature in Russia increased 0.4 degrees every ten years. Overall, the temperature in the area is 6.5-16.2 degrees Fahrenheit (2-9 Celsius) higher than the record set in 1989.'"
It is not ALL of the Arctic----yet. One thing for sure is that since the Tundra scientists(3 sets)first advised we were at the tipping point of positive feedback(2009), we are VERY close to the point of no return (past the tipping point).
http://siberiantimes...h-temperatures/
"
By 2 April, 17 forest fires had been registered across 2,000 hectares. Among the areas now at risk after a faster-than-usual snow melt are the south of Siberia to the territory of the Far Eastern Federal District, to Baikal and the Amur regions.
'It was the hottest April 1 on record for several western Siberian cities, including Novosibirsk, Tomsk, Kemerovo, Barnaul and Gorno-Altaysk,' said Renad Yagudin, of the Novosibirsk meteorological service. 'The average temperature in Russia increased 0.4 degrees every ten years. Overall, the temperature in the area is 6.5-16.2 degrees Fahrenheit (2-9 Celsius) higher than the record set in 1989.'"
It is not ALL of the Arctic----yet. One thing for sure is that since the Tundra scientists(3 sets)first advised we were at the tipping point of positive feedback(2009), we are VERY close to the point of no return (past the tipping point).
#15
Posted 01 May 2014 - 10:42 AM
Here is an extended version of the interview with Dr. Natalia Shakhova;
https://www.youtube....h?v=kx1Jxk6kjbQ
and part one of a lecture on what is happening;
https://www.youtube....h?v=AjZaFjXfLec
and part two;
https://www.youtube....h?v=NUBZi3t4ZTo
It was declared an emergency in 2011, and there is the very strong chance that even a 90% reduction in all HGHGs by 2024, may not stop the process toward a Permian type extinction.
There will be a new interview with Dr. Shakhova this month, and I am sure, taking in the 2-9*C higher than record temperature in Siberia this year.
She was near emotional breakdown in the 2013 interview, and I wonder if she will be the one to tell us we are in our last 300 years (or less) on Earth as a species, along with most others. That we are too late......
https://www.youtube....h?v=kx1Jxk6kjbQ
and part one of a lecture on what is happening;
https://www.youtube....h?v=AjZaFjXfLec
and part two;
https://www.youtube....h?v=NUBZi3t4ZTo
It was declared an emergency in 2011, and there is the very strong chance that even a 90% reduction in all HGHGs by 2024, may not stop the process toward a Permian type extinction.
There will be a new interview with Dr. Shakhova this month, and I am sure, taking in the 2-9*C higher than record temperature in Siberia this year.
She was near emotional breakdown in the 2013 interview, and I wonder if she will be the one to tell us we are in our last 300 years (or less) on Earth as a species, along with most others. That we are too late......
#16
Posted 01 May 2014 - 03:16 PM
I can only take so much negativity!
. . . What I want to hear, is something Positive!
. . . Something that could cut our Fossil Fuel usage in 1/2(Rejected Energy).
. . . Wouldn't that make a big Positive change to the Climate/
Example: MIT's Don Sadoway's Ambri, a Utility sized liquid metal batteries,
. . . . . . that are cheaper than dirt.
. . . The cells store hours worth of energy, and unlike conventional batteries,
. . . . . . their contents don't degrade over time.
. . . Utilities waste over 1/2 of all electricity created by Fossil Fuels.
These batteries can solve problems like:
. . . intermittent Wind and Solar, becomes compatible,
. . . Demand/Response smoothing, faster,
. . . Storing up energy when it's cheap & abundant,
. . . . . . for use when its expensive and required,
. . . Distributed Storage makes transmission costs cheaper,
. . . . . . Response time instantaneous,
. . . . . . creates micro-grids and makes electricity more fault tolerant.
Storage would be most disruptive to Fossil Fuels usage to make,
. . . Electricity and Transportation, both currently creating,
. . . a lot of pollution and over 1/2 of the USA's waste in energy.
2014-05-01 Source: MIT's Donald Sadoway, Utility Battery
. . . What I want to hear, is something Positive!
. . . Something that could cut our Fossil Fuel usage in 1/2(Rejected Energy).
. . . Wouldn't that make a big Positive change to the Climate/
Example: MIT's Don Sadoway's Ambri, a Utility sized liquid metal batteries,
. . . . . . that are cheaper than dirt.
. . . The cells store hours worth of energy, and unlike conventional batteries,
. . . . . . their contents don't degrade over time.
. . . Utilities waste over 1/2 of all electricity created by Fossil Fuels.
These batteries can solve problems like:
. . . intermittent Wind and Solar, becomes compatible,
. . . Demand/Response smoothing, faster,
. . . Storing up energy when it's cheap & abundant,
. . . . . . for use when its expensive and required,
. . . Distributed Storage makes transmission costs cheaper,
. . . . . . Response time instantaneous,
. . . . . . creates micro-grids and makes electricity more fault tolerant.
Storage would be most disruptive to Fossil Fuels usage to make,
. . . Electricity and Transportation, both currently creating,
. . . a lot of pollution and over 1/2 of the USA's waste in energy.
2014-05-01 Source: MIT's Donald Sadoway, Utility Battery
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Posted 02 May 2014 - 08:49 AM
The problem with changing emissions to 10% in 9 years, 10% per year or more, is implementation time. Can it even be done?
Still other "forecasts" that call for only an 80% reduction by 2040, but really, how much can we trust them when the Siberian temperatures are so high?
We can have a lot of "what ifs" for changes that should have been made, like mine, last century.
I won't "throw in the towel" until the next report from Dr. Shakhova.
It does not look good at all, and is something I did not imagine in my 1967 overpopulation work. A population crash is bad enough with human misery, but extinction of most life because of what we started from overpopulation, stupidity and greed, is orders of magnitude worse. The possibility of a "Venus Effect" is greater than Hansen thought in his "Storms of My Grandchildren", by a lot....
Eds you can be tired of the negativity, but that is the reality. I am tired of reality, too! If only-----if only.....
Methylocella silvestris?
The Bacteria That Can Mitigate Fracked Natural Gas Before It Pollutes the Atmosphere
Brandon Baker | May 1, 2014 12:46 pm | Comments
"By the ton, methane from fracking has about 20 times the global warming effect of carbon dioxide. Researchers at a college in the United Kingdom believe they have found a tiny way to mitigate the greenhouse gas before it spreads into the atmosphere.
Methylocella silvestris, a single bacterial strain found in soil and other environments around the world, is capable of growing on methane and propane, according to research by a team at the University of East Anglia that was published in Nature, a weekly, international publication.
“The findings could help mitigate the effects of the release of greenhouse gases to the atmosphere from both natural gas seeps in the environment and those arising from man-made activity such as fracking and oil spills,” according to a statement from the university."
http://ecowatch.com/...gas-atmosphere/
Will we be saved at the last minute by bacteria??
Still other "forecasts" that call for only an 80% reduction by 2040, but really, how much can we trust them when the Siberian temperatures are so high?
We can have a lot of "what ifs" for changes that should have been made, like mine, last century.
I won't "throw in the towel" until the next report from Dr. Shakhova.
It does not look good at all, and is something I did not imagine in my 1967 overpopulation work. A population crash is bad enough with human misery, but extinction of most life because of what we started from overpopulation, stupidity and greed, is orders of magnitude worse. The possibility of a "Venus Effect" is greater than Hansen thought in his "Storms of My Grandchildren", by a lot....
Eds you can be tired of the negativity, but that is the reality. I am tired of reality, too! If only-----if only.....
Methylocella silvestris?
The Bacteria That Can Mitigate Fracked Natural Gas Before It Pollutes the Atmosphere
Brandon Baker | May 1, 2014 12:46 pm | Comments
"By the ton, methane from fracking has about 20 times the global warming effect of carbon dioxide. Researchers at a college in the United Kingdom believe they have found a tiny way to mitigate the greenhouse gas before it spreads into the atmosphere.
Methylocella silvestris, a single bacterial strain found in soil and other environments around the world, is capable of growing on methane and propane, according to research by a team at the University of East Anglia that was published in Nature, a weekly, international publication.
“The findings could help mitigate the effects of the release of greenhouse gases to the atmosphere from both natural gas seeps in the environment and those arising from man-made activity such as fracking and oil spills,” according to a statement from the university."
http://ecowatch.com/...gas-atmosphere/
Will we be saved at the last minute by bacteria??
#18
Posted 26 May 2014 - 01:29 PM
A few years ago at Envirolink forums as Johhny Electriglide, I proposed that forcing the super-volcanic eruption of Yellowstone with strategically placed H-bombs of great size, to induce enough cooling in time to stop the Permian type methane turnover 95% ELE or even a runaway Venus Effect. Apparently, others either followed suit or thought it up independently
https://www.youtube....h?v=VMZbvrs51cg
That is from the day before this Earth Day. He makes the big mistake of putting in the HAARP conspiracy theory as the real cause instead of the fossil fueled industrialization and population stimulation into crash mode. Another mistake he makes is saying PETM caused a 95% extinction. PETM was not a true ELE with "only" 30% of species dying off. It was the Permian ELE that was 95%.
He mentions Yellowstone and the SE Asia (Toba) plans to use drilled nuclear bombs to force their eruptions. Along with why Al Gore didn't include the methane monster in his presentations. ("It would scare people too much").
The curve presentation is good, but not pro level. However, it IS easy to see what is happening.
Here is my 2011 post; Johhny Electriglide
Post subject: <a href="http://www.envirolin...ne#p175875">Re: Biodiversity needs slower population growth
Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:14 pm 
Member with over 1000 posts! 
Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2005 10:59 pm
Posts: 2188
Location: Central Colorado
Not only must human population growth be stopped, but reversed and as fast as possible. Having no kids for around 20 years, then one per family until a stable population of one billion is reached. Along with a 90% reduction if fossil fuel burning within a decade or less, with going to a steady state environmental economy.
A "limited" nuclear war might work, or putting one deep into Yellowstone and forcing a super-volcano eruption. Also, drilling and putting some in other seismic fracture zones, so it just seems like natural events which are already due.
Humans (in general) have shown an insane desire to keep growing while destroying the biosphere.
Otherwise, do nothing, or not enough, and the population will crash followed by thermageddon from CO2 to self-sustained methane releases, and an ELE worse than the dinosaur extinction event.
https://www.youtube....h?v=VMZbvrs51cg
That is from the day before this Earth Day. He makes the big mistake of putting in the HAARP conspiracy theory as the real cause instead of the fossil fueled industrialization and population stimulation into crash mode. Another mistake he makes is saying PETM caused a 95% extinction. PETM was not a true ELE with "only" 30% of species dying off. It was the Permian ELE that was 95%.
He mentions Yellowstone and the SE Asia (Toba) plans to use drilled nuclear bombs to force their eruptions. Along with why Al Gore didn't include the methane monster in his presentations. ("It would scare people too much").
The curve presentation is good, but not pro level. However, it IS easy to see what is happening.
Here is my 2011 post; Johhny Electriglide
Post subject: <a href="http://www.envirolin...ne#p175875">Re: Biodiversity needs slower population growth
Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:14 pm Member with over 1000 posts! Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2005 10:59 pm
Posts: 2188
Location: Central Colorado
Not only must human population growth be stopped, but reversed and as fast as possible. Having no kids for around 20 years, then one per family until a stable population of one billion is reached. Along with a 90% reduction if fossil fuel burning within a decade or less, with going to a steady state environmental economy.
A "limited" nuclear war might work, or putting one deep into Yellowstone and forcing a super-volcano eruption. Also, drilling and putting some in other seismic fracture zones, so it just seems like natural events which are already due.
Humans (in general) have shown an insane desire to keep growing while destroying the biosphere.
Otherwise, do nothing, or not enough, and the population will crash followed by thermageddon from CO2 to self-sustained methane releases, and an ELE worse than the dinosaur extinction event.
#19
Posted 18 June 2014 - 11:10 AM
The AETM ELE has a new name, Global Terminal Extinction Event(s). With several thousand GTs of methane releasing it would go to the Venus Effect and boil off the oceans while heating the surface down to hundreds of feet to oven temperatures. Earth, no biosphere and just black matter to be absorbed in another solar system in the far future.
It is slightly possible humanity will lower its numbers and emissions enough in time,. Or blow Yellowstone and/or Toba for a long volcanic winter with people surviving underground in some locations for 10 to 100 years or so. A bottleneck like Toba 74,500 years ago.
The biosphere and most species saved. And it will seem like it was natural!
It is slightly possible humanity will lower its numbers and emissions enough in time,. Or blow Yellowstone and/or Toba for a long volcanic winter with people surviving underground in some locations for 10 to 100 years or so. A bottleneck like Toba 74,500 years ago.
The biosphere and most species saved. And it will seem like it was natural!
#20
Posted 18 June 2014 - 01:16 PM
How about something like this.
. . . China is feed-up with pollution,
. . . India is feed-up with lack of energy,
. . . Japan and Germany are feed-up with Nuclear,
. . . Africa is feed-up of being poor and hungry,
. . . Europe is feed-up with everything.
That seems like the majority of the people of the world.
. . . I'll bet ,that many people, could make a lot of difference to anything.
What if they all had a simple, cheap source of energy,
. . . that everyone could afford to use,
. . . that didn't use any fossil fuel and
. . . could easily be moved on a moments notice?
I am not technically proficient enough to evaluate this companies products,
. . . but almost 10 years in the Military, makes me lean toward,
. . . a mobile, Keep It Simple Stupid(KISS) System.
Like an appliance: (Buy it, unpack it, Plug It In)
PluggedSolar Releases Solar Power Station for Powering Homes with Off/On Utility Grid
http://www.prweb.com...web11783232.htm
PLUG IN POWER BACK UP
http://pluggedsolar....-power-back-up/
Plug-in Solar panels
http://pluggedsolar.com/
THIS ONE IS CRITICAL, Solar Tracking,
Up to 12 Solar panels, folded on a tracking trailer, Plug-N-Play Power, Fast, anywhere.
a ) Tracking the sun from dawn to dusk, increase’s solar production by 30% to 60%
b ) Tracking with micro inverters maximize’s power production on overcast days.
c ) Tracking allows more air flow than fixed panels, reducing panel temperatures.
https://greenpeacech...com/ideas/30985
. . . China is feed-up with pollution,
. . . India is feed-up with lack of energy,
. . . Japan and Germany are feed-up with Nuclear,
. . . Africa is feed-up of being poor and hungry,
. . . Europe is feed-up with everything.
That seems like the majority of the people of the world.
. . . I'll bet ,that many people, could make a lot of difference to anything.
What if they all had a simple, cheap source of energy,
. . . that everyone could afford to use,
. . . that didn't use any fossil fuel and
. . . could easily be moved on a moments notice?
I am not technically proficient enough to evaluate this companies products,
. . . but almost 10 years in the Military, makes me lean toward,
. . . a mobile, Keep It Simple Stupid(KISS) System.
Like an appliance: (Buy it, unpack it, Plug It In)
PluggedSolar Releases Solar Power Station for Powering Homes with Off/On Utility Grid
http://www.prweb.com...web11783232.htm
PLUG IN POWER BACK UP
http://pluggedsolar....-power-back-up/
Plug-in Solar panels
http://pluggedsolar.com/
THIS ONE IS CRITICAL, Solar Tracking,
Up to 12 Solar panels, folded on a tracking trailer, Plug-N-Play Power, Fast, anywhere.
a ) Tracking the sun from dawn to dusk, increase’s solar production by 30% to 60%
b ) Tracking with micro inverters maximize’s power production on overcast days.
c ) Tracking allows more air flow than fixed panels, reducing panel temperatures.
https://greenpeacech...com/ideas/30985
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