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[Shortpoet-GTD]

Keep it clean (although the website computer will automatically remove nasty language)
but still; just saying.

So I'll start.
Summer.
What's to love?
Heat, humidity, mosquitoes, grasshoppers, ants by the millions, flies, tornadoes, floods,
(although floods can happen any time of year) wildfires, drought, not enough holidays
weeds that seem to grow 2-3 feet per day, lawnmower/weed-eater chores, oh yeah-
and the HEAT!!!

Next.

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The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) said.
. . . the first 1/2 of 2015 has already been recorded as the HOTTEST EVER, and
. . . the elevated temperatures will continue in the last 6 months of the year,
. . . according to Jessica Blunden, a climate scientist for NOAA.

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Southern California Edison would like its next round of energy storage systems,
. . . to be standard size "Plug & Play" packages.
That's the same way that utilities order transformers, and
. . . other standard grid gear today.
Standardization allows them, much more:
. . . . . . Economy,
. . . . . . Simplicity, and
. . . . . . Flexibility,
. . . built into, where, and when the new systems will end up.

Transportation cost are also very important,
. . . based on battery weight.

Currently, 1/3 of all electricity that is generated, is used,
. . . 2/3 is just thrown away.
Utilities, can save even more money,
. . . by generating a lot less energy,
. . . from any source, at any time, and
. . . using it to level demand.

[still learning]

"Currently, 1/3 of all electricity that is generated, is used,
. . . 2/3 is just thrown away."

.What do you mean by that?  Don't think I've seen that sort of claim before, that only 1/3 of electricity generated is used.  True, only about 1/3 of the energy content of fossil fuels ends up as electricity, with the remainder mostly going up the exhaust stack or out the cooling tower or heat exchanger as lost heat, but that missing 2/3 was never electricity.  There is some transmission and conversion loss between the generating site and the end user, but not 2/3.  

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"Electricity" in the USA:
. . . 12.4 Quads "Used Electricity"
. . . 25.8 Quads "Rejected Energy"
. . . -----------
. . . 38.4 Quads "Total Generated Electricity"

"Transportation" in the USA is even worse:
. . .  5.68 Quads "Used Transportation"
. . . 21.40 Quads "Rejected Energy"
. . . -----------
. . . 27.18 Quads "Total Generated Transportation Fuel"

"Total Energy" in the USA:
. . . 59.4 Quads "Total Rejected Energy"
. . . 38.9 Quads "Total Energy Services"
. . . -----------
. . . 98.3 Quads "Total Energy Generated in 2014"

That looks like about 2/3, and
. . . the Largest Source of "Rejected Energy" looks like it;s from Fossil Fuels.

I would like to find,
. . . Electric = Solar + Storage + Transportation,
. . . that is Affordable, Simple and Flexible, and
. . . that doesn't waste 2/3 of the energy,
. . . while polluting the Climate.

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Remember one thing:
. . . The Fuel that is bought to generate energy,
. . . unless it is Renewable, cost Money, and
. . . Rejected or Used, those costs are passed on to the user.

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When someone puts solar PV panels on their roof,
. . . generate "FREE" watt's during the day to the grid, and
. . . use the same amount of watt's from the grid at night,
. . . why do they think everything is equal?

What about the 2/3 of "Rejected Energy,"
. . . that pollutes, and has to be paid for?

What if instead, they stored their "FREE" watt's in batteries, and
. . . used them at night.

An auto is normally used 2 hours a day, and
. . . is parked 22 Hours a day.
. . . What if the auto's electric batteries,
. . . were being charged, with "FREE" Solar Energy, while it's parked?
. . . than NO pollutes, and NOTHING has to be paid for?

Battery Projections look to be getting cheaper.

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[still learning]

Quoting from yesterday's 617PM post:
"Electricity" in the USA:
. . . 12.4 Quads "Used Electricity"
. . . 25.8 Quads "Rejected Energy"
. . . -----------
. . . 38.4 Quads "Total Generated Electricity"

The included estimated energy use diagram has a block with "Electricity Generation 38.4" in it, with two streams coming out of the block, one going out to the "rejected energy" block, at over 25 quads of energy, the other stream of 12.4 quads going, very roughly equally to residential and industrial and commercial uses, with a tiny amount going to transportation.  That "rejected energy" is heat, not electricity.
See
https://en.wikipedia...i/Power_station
and  
https://en.wikipedia...i/Rankine_cycle

Lots of rejected or wasted energy in electricity generation, but that wasted energy mostly goes up the exhaust stack or out the cooling exhaust as heat and was never actually turned into electricity.  Commonly 25 to 50 percent efficiencies.  Once turned to electricity, energy is moved to the end user pretty efficiently, 5 to 25 percent losses.  End use efficiency is highly variable.

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still learning, on 01 August 2015 - 01:37 PM, said:

"Currently, 1/3 of all electricity that is generated, is used,
. . . 2/3 is just thrown away."

You are right, of course.

The 2/3 was never electricity,
. . . only 1/3 was.

But, the Problem is:
. . . about 66% of Fossil Fuel's,
. . . . . . purchased to generate electricity, and
. . . about 88% of the Fossil Fuel's,
. . . . . . purchased for Transportation,
. . . are NOT performing their primary purpose, and
. . . . . . we continue to pay for them,
. . . . . . while they continue, polluting our Climate.

I believe that about 99% of the Worlds Scientists are right,
. . . we are paying, to very efficiently,
. . . Pollute our Climate, using Fossil Fuels.
That has got to stop.

What's the Solution?  Anyone?  Anyone?

[Shortpoet-GTD]

Renewables.

[Shortpoet-GTD]

Our warming world means longer seasons for insects (and wildfires)
Via Climate Central-
http://www.climatece...ers-pests-19295

Longer fire season link
Via Nasa-
http://earthobservat...ew.php?id=86268

[eds]

I'll bet you've never seen this sort of claim before.

99% of the Worlds Scientists are right,
. . . Humans are PAYING, to very efficiently POLLUTE,
. . . by using Fossil Fuels.
That has got to stop!

The Problem is:
. . . about 66% of Fossil Fuel's,
. . . . . . PURCHASED to generate electricity, and
. . . about 88% of the Fossil Fuel's,
. . . . . . PURCHASED for Transportation,
. . . are NOT performing their primary purpose, and
. . . . . . we continue to PAY for them,
. . . . . . while they continue POLLUTING.
How do you find WATER, during a DROUGHT?
. . . Simple, look for a Power Plant.  See all the WATER they are using.
. . . . . . Because Power Plant Siting, and Production,
. . . . . . are Constrained by Water Issues.

The Solution is Simple, Follow the Money, STOP Paying to Pollute!
. . . 1) find ways to use less energy, to save money.
. . . . . . (Power Strips stop "Always ON" appliances using energy,
. . . . . . replace lights, with low energy use LED's,
. . . . . . replace air conditioners, with celling fans)
. . . 2) Spend the "Saved Money" from step #1, on more expensive items saving more energy.
. . . . . . (add more insulation to house,
. . . . . . replace large items with more energy efficient ones,
. . . 3) Spend the "Saved Money" from step #1 & #2, on Renewables & Storage.
. . . . . . (Start with one Solar PV panel and one battery,
. . . . . . connect it up to the items you need most during a blackout, and
. . . . . . use it to save energy on those things every day)
. . . 4) I think you get the idea,  Follow the Money.
. . . . . . You will stop PAYING to POLLUTE, and
. . . . . . turn Expenses into Compounding Savings.

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[Shortpoet-GTD]

eds, on 03 August 2015 - 07:54 AM, said:

I'll bet you've never seen this sort of claim before.

99% of the Worlds Scientists are right,
. . . Humans are PAYING, to very efficiently POLLUTE,
. . . by using Fossil Fuels.
That has got to stop!

The Problem is:
. . . about 66% of Fossil Fuel's,
. . . . . . PURCHASED to generate electricity, and
. . . about 88% of the Fossil Fuel's,
. . . . . . PURCHASED for Transportation,
. . . are NOT performing their primary purpose, and
. . . . . . we continue to PAY for them,
. . . . . . while they continue POLLUTING.
How do you find WATER, during a DROUGHT?
. . . Simple, look for a Power Plant.  See all the WATER they are using.
. . . . . . Because Power Plant Siting, and Production,
. . . . . . are Constrained by Water Issues.

The Solution is Simple, Follow the Money, STOP Paying to Pollute!
. . . 1) find ways to use less energy, to save money.
. . . . . . (Power Strips stop "Always ON" appliances using energy,
. . . . . . replace lights, with low energy use LED's,
. . . . . . replace air conditioners, with celling fans)
. . . 2) Spend the "Saved Money" from step #1, on more expensive items saving more energy.
. . . . . . (add more insulation to house,
. . . . . . replace large items with more energy efficient ones,
. . . 3) Spend the "Saved Money" from step #1 & #2, on Renewables & Storage.
. . . . . . (Start with one Solar PV panel and one battery,
. . . . . . connect it up to the items you need most during a blackout, and
. . . . . . use it to save energy on those things every day)
. . . 4) I think you get the idea,  Follow the Money.
. . . . . . You will stop PAYING to POLLUTE, and
. . . . . . turn Expenses into Compounding Savings.

This will help-
http://www.altenergy...n-cutting-plan/

[Shortpoet-GTD]

Pete and repeat but skeeters are my nemesis. ARGH!!
http://www.womenshea...&adbpr=25087685

[tiger lily]

Pollution, pesticides, people that are big jerks.

[Shortpoet-GTD]

The gop.

[reetasharma201]

I hate it when people do not get their pollution checked in cars and through their garbage on roads.

[Shortpoet-GTD]

reetasharma201, on 23 September 2015 - 03:18 AM, said:

I hate it when people do not get their pollution checked in cars and through their garbage on roads.

And with the recent lies from vw- they've made car pollution even worse.
http://www.altenergy...-air-pollution/