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Qatar-will these climate talks be any different?


 
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#1 Shortpoet-GTD

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 06:33 AM

Peaceful protesters marched in Qatari's capitol Corniche yesterday.



"Both rich and poor countries say emissions have to be reduced, but don't agree on how to
divide the burden.
That dispute and other disagreements have slowed talks on crafting a new global climate treaty, which was originally planned for adoption in 2009 but has now been
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until 2015."
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Fingers crossed or shoulders shrugged?

#2 E3 wise

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 03:58 PM

Why in Gods Name is the Climate conferance being held in Qatar.  First the country uses the most oil per person in the world, second they have huge building using huge amounts of electricity and air conditioning in the middle of the desert, finally they have been one of the biggest deniers of climate change in the past decade.  If the United Nations wants us to think they are serious about climate change they need tostop having the conferances in countries that are flodding the world with oil.

Yes we need commitment and adoption of standards, but discussing this in a country that does so much behind the scenes to block these types of accords is a true selling out of every person on this planet, (sorry my personal view).

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 07:58 AM

I agree, not much will come of these "talks".  Humanity seems set on a course of too little, too late with emissions reductions, as earlier with population reduction.  It doesn't bode well for the future of humanity or the biosphere.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 04:19 PM

Road warrior-mad max, except in reality it'll be the water, not lack of oil, like in the movie,  that creates the post-apocalyptic era. <_<

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 10:28 AM

People don't want to feel pain, pure and simple.  Everyone want's someone else to feel the pain, not themselves.  China and India blew off Bush when he was president and have blown off Obama now that he is president.  The cheapest way to their prosperity is fossil fuels, it worked for us so they believe they have the right to do the same.  We are put in the ackward position of selling "Do what I say, not what I did", that doesn't fly.

Poor countries want the rich to pay their way, they want someone else to feel their pain.  Rich countries don't want to feel their own pain, let alone someone elses.

The biggest mistake people make it assuming others will sacrifice their own self interest.  Self interest is not some unquantifiable problem decades away, it's prosperity now.  The peasants in rural China aren't rioting for a better environment, they are rioting for their piece of the economic pie.  That is the voice China will listen too.

All things eventually converge to the bottom line. Every effort should be made to make green energy the low cost alternative or the third world will continue down the same road we traveled.

The good news is the more prosperous China and India become, the more they will be able to afford green alternatives. :smile:

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 01:07 PM

Well said. I always like a bit of hope at the end............

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 06:51 PM

Phil, well said.  I think that partly we hope that others won't make the mistakes that we have or will learn from us (Us not necessarily meaning the US, but all first world nations).  Technologies have improved, our knowledge has grown, we have more options.  But, as you said, those options cost money.  Most developing nations don't have the financial resources to change the way they are doing things.  Yet, you can argue that they could save themselves money in the long run if they moved to green technologies.  It's hard to see that when you have high poverty and illiteracy in your nation and you want to compete with everyone else.

China seems to be in the best position to do better.  They don't always seem to be motivated to do so.  They seem to have different motivations.  I was reading a story in the newspaper a week or so ago where China is going to build a skyscraper in record time.  And, if it goes well, they want to use it as a model.  My first thought was that it could be done, but would it be safe and efficient?  It gets back to the idea that just because you can do something doesn't always mean it will be the wisest thing to do.  Did anyone else hear about that building?

Shortpoet, I heard that Qatar is the setting for some other UN talks as well.  I wonder if this is less about their policies and more about they were next on the list to hold these things?  It seems the UN holds some events and appoints certain positions in a certain predetermined order and not so much by who has had the most impact on whatever topic it is.

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 10:18 AM

Another article on what's happening in Qatar.
http://grist.org/cli...nd-real-change/

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 04:18 AM

Grist really rakes Lord Monckton over the coals in this
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Posted 08 December 2012 - 06:16 PM

Apparently the Equadorian delegation at the Qatar conference said that Equador will again propose at the next OPEC meeting in Vienna a revival of a proposal that OPEC members "help fund projects that cut greenhouse gases and protect against the effects of climate change."
See   http://www.bloomberg...imate-fund.html

We'll see.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 09:57 AM

Here is another article on the talks;
http://www.bloomberg...rming-pact.html

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