arboramans, on 05 March 2012 - 04:23 PM, said:
Either the universe and everything in it is 'natural' or it has supernatural origins. Your belief system is tied into this fundamental premise. You either beleive that there is a spiritual side to reality , i.e. 'more than this' or you are a determinsit who beleives taht everything is just the reaction of chemicals and interaction of elements - there is no god and there is no free will as everything is predetermined. If you beleive in free will then you beleive in spirituality but then you must reject darwinian evolution.
You are assuming everyone ascribes to one of two extremes. Personally, I am an agnostic. I don't believe in any traditional form of Deism, but I do not discount the possibility of a greater power which gave rise to the creation of our universe. We have not yet solved the "mystery" of how the energy to create the Big Bang came into being... and I think this does leave a tenuous possibility for a Creator or some force outside of our universe. If the Creator's only role is to spark the Big Bang (as I think might be the case), then you can absolutely believe in Darwinian Evolution and all other manner of well established scientific theories and laws, like the principles of physics, and quantum mechanics.
The one thing I find "fascinating" about Deists, and particularly Christians is that they want to refuse items like Evolution but then espouse that "all things are possible through God" and "God has a plan". Isn't it possible God's plan involves the underlying patterns we see in nature, including evolution as a possible means to an end?
I think it is quite silly (and peculiar) to ignore and deny the evidence that lies before us to observe with our own senses and intellect and to instead embrace as "truth" what amounts to a glorified book of fairytales written by a patriarcal society thousands of years ago. They had no where near the scientific understanding we have now, and certainly not anywhere near our level of civil and humanist development (If you want a real chuckle, read Leviticus and it's treatment of women, slaves, remarriage, clothing, crops, etc).
I also always wonder why it is so easy for so many people to believe the "truth" of the Bible, when so many other just as nonsensical origin stories and religious doctrines pre-dated it. To replace one far-fetched story with another doesn't strike me as a vast improvement. The bible is nearly completely outdated in our modern society... except perhaps in the sense that some of the parable like wisdom might still have something to teach, in the same way children learn lessons from Aesop's Fables. That there are people who actually think the bible is something to be taken LITERALLY is just astonishing to me.
I will say that in the context of the modern world, I think the Native Americans had the most holistic and correct view... and the Buddhists might be on to a few things as well. It is clear that humans are part of a greater web of life, and no matter how we might like to refuse it, our fate IS intertwined with those other creatures living on this planet, and we must live in balance with the system or risk our own demise.