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#1 Shortpoet-GTD

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 06:38 PM

"Back in 2008, Google seemed to have set the standard for tech corporation tax dodging,
using complex accounting and subsidiaries in Ireland and Bermuda to drives its tax rate
all the way down to 2.4 percent.
But if all goes according to plan, Facebook will be able to use its initial public offering —
via the stock options it gives its employees — to not only avoid paying corporate income tax for years, but to receive a $500 million refund from the federal government, as Citizens for Tax Justice explained:
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“Due to the stock option loophole, Facebook may not pay any corporate income taxes on its
profits for a generation,” said Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI).
“It isn’t right, and we can’t afford it.” The Treasury Department estimates that it
loses about $2 billion per year due to companies using this stock option loophole to avoid taxes."

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#2 E3 wise

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 06:47 PM

Thats crazy, just goes to show how the game is set up by the rich for the rich and to heck with everyone else who plays by the standard 99%'s rules.  Thanks for the information.

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 08:42 AM

No doubt that makes the founders of the site young billionaires.
Not fair for average or low income people who are forced by the nature of the law to pay taxes with the money they could use to buy more necessary things.

#4 tigerlily78

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 10:05 AM

This is really despicable. It is completely disgusting and infuriating that these companies can be so greedy and get away with it.

#5 MakingCents

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 04:14 PM

THis is the way our society is set up.  The poor get poorer and the rich get richer.  Sad but true.

#6 mariaandrea

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 06:11 PM

I don't understand how people vote for politicians who think this is perfectly acceptable while at the same time think cutting social programs is also perfectly acceptable and that people who are poor deserve to be there and deserve whatever happens to them. That is at the core of conservatives. And I'll bet people who defend this will claim that the economic benefit of Facebook to employees and businesses who use it outweighs the loss of tax revenue. Which it doesn't.

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 08:31 PM

Althought this is news to me, this is not at all surprising as those in power frequently use the power to continue to build their wealth. The fact that lobbyists can even exist indicates how broken the current concept of democracy really is. That's why I think democracy needs to be rethought such that the average person is involved in far more voting than choosing the best horse every 4 years.

I worked on a telephone voting system a decade ago for the Beijing Telecom Authority and this was intended to enable the citizens to vote on some key local matters around the country. If China, of all countries, can do this, why are average citizens here still having to resort to petitions and mass demonstrations to try to gain control of their country. Citizens should be the ultimate decision makers on many different issues instead of watching the political games our "leaders" often play with our futures and tax dollars.

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Posted 09 March 2012 - 06:20 PM

This is certainly part of the reason why we have such a huge deficit, Along with the fact that it is all perfectly legal. When will the lawmakers come to the recognition that none of these loopholes, are helping to enhance the country's prosperity in any way?

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Posted 11 March 2012 - 05:06 PM

I think that it is time for large corporations to use their  moral compass and not wait to be asked to contribute their fair share. They should be paying tax,  less the hand that feeds(i.e. the public)  bites back.

#10 Sarah C.

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Posted 11 March 2012 - 07:49 PM

This kind of thing is why I am for fairtax. Do away with income taxes and have a tax on everything we purchase, except food. The more people spend, the more they pay in taxes. A wealthy person has a lot more money to spend, thus they will naturally spend more. This is so much more fair in my opinion.

#11 tigerlily78

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 04:34 AM

View PostSarah C., on 11 March 2012 - 07:49 PM, said:

This kind of thing is why I am for fairtax. Do away with income taxes and have a tax on everything we purchase, except food. The more people spend, the more they pay in taxes. A wealthy person has a lot more money to spend, thus they will naturally spend more. This is so much more fair in my opinion.

But consider this Sarah... someone making $20,000 a year or even $30,000 a year is likely to spend close to 100% of their income. That would in turn mean that 100% (less the re-bate/pre-bate on food and other limited items) of their income is subject to taxation.

(Also, there still seems to be some discussion as to how the pre-bate/rebate would be calculated... I forsee some wrangling by politicians to ensure the pre-bate/rebate falls well short of people's actual expenses further demonizing and marginalizing those low income households.)

If on the other hand, you are at the very top of "wage earners", making $50 million a year... how much of that can you realistically spend year after year on goods and services? They are certainly not going to be forced by necessity to spend 100% of their income. The Fair Tax serves only to remove the tax burden and public scrutiny of dodging taxes and sitting on your dragon hoard. It also seems to be a convenient scheme for getting millions of Americans excited about something that is against their own best interests.

I think it is also important to point out that under CURRENT tax law, many of the wealthiest Americans are already only paying a 15% tax rate on the bulk of their earnings under the capital gains tax.

Sometimes I wonder if proponents of the Fair Tax have ever bothered to read the "Fair Tax Act of 2005"... do they even realize the 23% federal sales tax will be levied ON TOP of any state, county, and city sales taxes they are already paying?  There is also nothing in the bill to address gas taxes, cigarette taxes, or lodging and service taxes, etc... these additional special taxes are outside of the taxation areas that the Fair Tax would replace.

The Fair Tax also effectively creates a system where EVERY seller of a good or service could be forced to become a tax collecting entity. So, consider how much you might enjoy paying 23% sales tax on healthcare services. And since many more businesses will be collecting sales tax, the Fair Tax will absolutely do no such thing as "abolish the IRS"... unless of course you think the government is going to institute this fantastic tax scheme without any oversight and regulation and allow tax dodging to become rampant at all levels of society, not just for the upper crust.

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 02:34 PM

“Due to the stock option loophole, Facebook may not pay any corporate income taxes on its
profits for a generation,” said Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI).
“It isn’t right, and we can’t afford it.” The Treasury Department estimates that it
loses about $2 billion per year due to companies using this stock option loophole to avoid taxes."

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If they knew this why would they not change the law.  That is pretty much what politicians do anyways; they change the law to keep the government in the earning power.

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 02:56 PM

View Postjanayc, on 01 April 2012 - 02:34 PM, said:

If they knew this why would they not change the law.  That is pretty much what politicians do anyways; they change
the law to keep the government in the earning power.
gop get kickbacks, prizes, inside info to line their pockets. They're not about to kill the golden goose.

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 07:08 AM

"Facebook co-founder Eduardo Saverin, one of Mark Zuckerberg’s Harvard roommates,
has angered two U.S. senators with his plan to renounce his U.S. citizenship.
Charles Schumer (D. N.Y.) and Bob Casey (D. Penn.) are going to hold a press conference today to blast
Sevarin’s tax “dodging” and “unveil a comprehensive plan” that could include barring ex-patriots like
him from coming back to the U.S.
Facebook’s booming IPO expected to price sometime today and begin trading tomorrow, the timing appeared to some to be an attempt to avoid taxes on his coming windfall. He owns about 2% of the company, according to this WSJ profile."
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Make a lot of $ from America and then split. Kind of like bachmann.

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 12:12 PM

No wonder people in America are getting fed up with their government. It sure seems like it is the big corporations are the ones that are actually running the country now. That Eduardo Saverin is a fine piece of work, getting his education and wealth from the US and then gives them the finger!

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 01:08 PM

As if all this wasn't enough, Facebook are introducing 'pay to post' which will increase their obscene profits even more. Pay to post? They should be paying us to use their site, and giving something back to the people - and the nation - that have helped them to become billionaires in such a short time.

Hopefully this latest move will bring about a law change to plug that ridiculous loophole once and for all. Perhaps America should be re-named 'Land of the Free from taxation.' These people make me sick - and I don't even live there!

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 06:27 PM

That's just disgusting. And it actually does make me want to stop using Facebook. I don't use it much, anyway. The amount of greed exhibited by big corporations like this is astounding. Imagine what that money could do if it was given rather than hoarded.

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 10:40 AM

They may be going down for the count. This article speculates the reason why.
Imo?
They don't pay taxes or make a boatload of money, don't pay taxes and then leave the USA for other climes.
Bah to them.

http://articles.busi...pital-gains-tax

http://www.forbes.co...nd-of-facebook/

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 03:18 PM

More reason to stop using facebook-
http://thinkprogress...ling/?mobile=nc

And still more-
http://www.huffingto...reen&ref=topbar

What's that catch phrase? "You're going down" :laugh:

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