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[Shortpoet-GTD]

Must individuals and countries pay to protect pristine rainforests and their ecosystems?
Evidently, yes.
http://www.guardian....ance?CMP=twt_gu

[jasserEnv]

Are people self serving and short sighted? Yes. Do they need incentives not to do destructive things? Yes. This is not surprising at all given the combination of politicians seeking power and businesses seeking profit. Ethics and conservation simply inhibit these people from achieving their goals. Without others to provide them financial incentives, people with such blind ambition will seek the easiest route to achieving what they want especially when they don't perceive any consequences.

[mariaandrea]

Interesting precedent.
Can we pay Japan to stop hunting whales?
And I'm not sure I believe this:

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The money raised is guaranteed to be used only for nature protection and renewable energy projects.

Guaranteed? And who is going to oversee how that money is spent?

[Jessi]

mariaandrea, on 12 January 2012 - 12:10 AM, said:

Interesting precedent.
Can we pay Japan to stop hunting whales?
And I'm not sure I believe this:



Guaranteed? And who is going to oversee how that money is spent?

Honestly, after the initial hype of this blows over, it's unlikely anyone will even pay much attention to it for a while. So I'm with you....how is it guaranteed and by whom, but I doubt that's really the case.

[Shortpoet-GTD]

The region has been noted for it's "biological richness" which may help it stay protected from big oil into the future.
When governments coordinate, good things can happen.

[sculptor]

so far, only a very small percentage of the requested money has been raised

with the texico/chevron $18,000,000,000. court ruling, (assuming that they(Ecuador) can ever collect)

the requested $ for not drilling seems a pittance

and nothing will come of it

(justaguess)

[Shortpoet-GTD]

Racing to fight the massive oil companies to save the "lungs of the planet."
http://www.bbc.co.uk...merica-16618300

[zararina]

Hard to pay for those multi billion companies that could earn more on drilling and destructing national resources for their businesses. Better to have a government that give more value in saving those very few left rainforests here than the possible revenue foreign capitalists can rbring here. Very huge amount of money might not be necessary to pay those who will protect the rainforests specially if the locals there would really care for it.

[sculptor]

ok---part of the bargain with the oil companies in Ecuador, is that they had to build the roads that now allow people into the oriente of Ecuador-----good for the government of Ecuador, maybe not so much for the people who live where the oil is------------so we all know more about the people who live there----------I talked with a man who had been a soldier during the Ecuador/Peru war, and he said that mostly, they just wandered about in the jungle, lost and confused------------and now, you could drive to some of the places he had traversed on foot as a young man

the problem with the above named lawsuit, was that Texaco didn't re-inject the oil/water mix back into the wells(this is a common practice world wide, as most of what comes out of an oil well, is oil rich water, but re-injecting it takes extra machinery and extra time----and Texaco was trying to save $ at the well sites because they had to spend lots of $ to build a pipeline that would carry the oil to the west coast------over the Andes-------

and the resultant pollution is still a menace----------mostly to backwoods people who never really cared whether they were considered to be in Ecuador or Peru or--------------all of the local(national) governments were considered meddling outsiders to them, and if left to their own desires, there would still be no roads, no tourists, no tax collectors, -----------but it's too late now for that option

so drilling doesn't necessarily mean rampant pollution, it can be done cleanly and in an ecologically sound manner------
----just like the drug lords of Columbia, it ain't the coca growers, nor processors of the stuff, it's our seemingly insatiable desire for more and more of the stuff---------------we are one nation in a world of oil-aholics----------as we curb our desires, so the suppliers will curb their efforts to supply those desires

[Shortpoet-GTD]

zararina, on 21 January 2012 - 06:45 AM, said:

Hard to pay for those multi billion companies that could earn more on drilling and destructing national resources for their businesses. Better to have a government that give more value in saving those very few left rainforests here than the possible revenue foreign capitalists can rbring here. Very huge amount of money might not be necessary to pay those who will protect the rainforests specially if the locals there would really care for it.

If they promoted restricted tourism (carefully monitored for the protection of the animals/natural fauna of the area)
they could tell the oil companies-"there's the door" but they have to have money coming in from some
where.